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	<title>Comments on: Waves in phase</title>
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	<description>Aut Inveniam, Aut Faciam</description>
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		<title>By: Gardo</title>
		<link>http://www.gardnercampbell.net/blog1/?p=1194&#038;cpage=1#comment-1555</link>
		<dc:creator>Gardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Groupware on steroids, though &quot;wave&quot; may be the wrong metaphor. Yes, whither &quot;Groove&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Groupware on steroids, though &#8220;wave&#8221; may be the wrong metaphor. Yes, whither &#8220;Groove&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Alexander</title>
		<link>http://www.gardnercampbell.net/blog1/?p=1194&#038;cpage=1#comment-1554</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect Wave cycled through the Gartner (not Gardner) hype cycle in record time.

Could be groupware.  Now, what happened to Groove?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect Wave cycled through the Gartner (not Gardner) hype cycle in record time.</p>
<p>Could be groupware.  Now, what happened to Groove?</p>
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		<title>By: Gardo</title>
		<link>http://www.gardnercampbell.net/blog1/?p=1194&#038;cpage=1#comment-1553</link>
		<dc:creator>Gardo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:07:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Chris You may be right. The example of Twitter keeps me more open than I might otherwise be. Wave is like Twitter in that it depends on substantial network effects for its potential to be visible. The bigger issue, it seems to me, is that it will be very difficult for people to imagine how a conversation can also be a document, and vice-versa. My kids would have less trouble with this thought than I, perhaps, since they&#039;re used to preserving lots of bits of interaction via chat archives, videos, etc. So you may be right, but I&#039;m interested that I&#039;m interested--and I&#039;ll start to &quot;be there&quot; more often.

@Robin How generous of you to send more great resources my way! The Chronicle Review article, and now these great links. Can&#039;t wait to chase them down. There is a &quot;grokking&quot; involved here, even to get to the place we can judge whether there&#039;s a &quot;here&quot; here. I remember how puzzled I was the first time I tried to grok &quot;labels&quot; in gmail. I wanted folders. I probably still want folders. But labels are more like tags, and ultimately tags are more useful than folders, because they not only acknowledge but leverage the fundamental linked-ness of the Web. I note with interest that tags play a part in Wave as well. And I think the developers may have some stuff up their sleeves that will help the grokking. Or perhaps not. Google&#039;s got tremendous benefit-of-doubt goodwill built up, but sometimes even great Homer nods.... Still, there&#039;s something deep in terms of tagging, collaborating, archiving, sharing, etc. that&#039;s just over the horizon. Something I can sense more than I can see. It&#039;ll be fraught--obviously--but it will also be tremendously exciting. Something like the day I discovered what a trackback was, and that blogs generated them automagically. A new vista of what communication and distributed conversation could mean. Whatever happens with Wave, I think they&#039;re on the right track.

@Jim The real test for me will be to see what my students can make of it, though as always I&#039;ll have to be making something of it first, at least on some level. They&#039;ll have to see that it matters to me what they discover, and they won&#039;t believe it matters unless I&#039;m in the Wave too. So more &quot;being there&quot; to come!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris You may be right. The example of Twitter keeps me more open than I might otherwise be. Wave is like Twitter in that it depends on substantial network effects for its potential to be visible. The bigger issue, it seems to me, is that it will be very difficult for people to imagine how a conversation can also be a document, and vice-versa. My kids would have less trouble with this thought than I, perhaps, since they&#8217;re used to preserving lots of bits of interaction via chat archives, videos, etc. So you may be right, but I&#8217;m interested that I&#8217;m interested&#8211;and I&#8217;ll start to &#8220;be there&#8221; more often.</p>
<p>@Robin How generous of you to send more great resources my way! The Chronicle Review article, and now these great links. Can&#8217;t wait to chase them down. There is a &#8220;grokking&#8221; involved here, even to get to the place we can judge whether there&#8217;s a &#8220;here&#8221; here. I remember how puzzled I was the first time I tried to grok &#8220;labels&#8221; in gmail. I wanted folders. I probably still want folders. But labels are more like tags, and ultimately tags are more useful than folders, because they not only acknowledge but leverage the fundamental linked-ness of the Web. I note with interest that tags play a part in Wave as well. And I think the developers may have some stuff up their sleeves that will help the grokking. Or perhaps not. Google&#8217;s got tremendous benefit-of-doubt goodwill built up, but sometimes even great Homer nods&#8230;. Still, there&#8217;s something deep in terms of tagging, collaborating, archiving, sharing, etc. that&#8217;s just over the horizon. Something I can sense more than I can see. It&#8217;ll be fraught&#8211;obviously&#8211;but it will also be tremendously exciting. Something like the day I discovered what a trackback was, and that blogs generated them automagically. A new vista of what communication and distributed conversation could mean. Whatever happens with Wave, I think they&#8217;re on the right track.</p>
<p>@Jim The real test for me will be to see what my students can make of it, though as always I&#8217;ll have to be making something of it first, at least on some level. They&#8217;ll have to see that it matters to me what they discover, and they won&#8217;t believe it matters unless I&#8217;m in the Wave too. So more &#8220;being there&#8221; to come!</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Greenberg</title>
		<link>http://www.gardnercampbell.net/blog1/?p=1194&#038;cpage=1#comment-1552</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Greenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto Chris and thanks Gardner, you&#039;ve encouraged me to keep after it even if it feels like the tide might be going out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto Chris and thanks Gardner, you&#8217;ve encouraged me to keep after it even if it feels like the tide might be going out.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Heyden</title>
		<link>http://www.gardnercampbell.net/blog1/?p=1194&#038;cpage=1#comment-1551</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Heyden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Spidey-sense&quot; - I love it.  Only  you, Gardner.  Like you, I&#039;m starting to get a feel for it...but only slowly... with the help of knowledgeable others.  Here&#039;s one &quot;reconstructed&quot; wave that helped me - a reconstruction of what it might have been like if The Declaration of Independence writers had done so on Google Wave: https://wave.google.com/wave/#minimized:search,restored:wave:thirteencolonies.net!w%252BDvkVwkvsA
(you play it back).  The other goldmine that&#039;s helped me grok this thing is the Educator&#039;s Ning on Wave:  http://edupln.ning.com/groups/group/show?id=4241570%3AGroup%3A322&amp;xg_source=msg_mes_group
waving at you....
robin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Spidey-sense&#8221; &#8211; I love it.  Only  you, Gardner.  Like you, I&#8217;m starting to get a feel for it&#8230;but only slowly&#8230; with the help of knowledgeable others.  Here&#8217;s one &#8220;reconstructed&#8221; wave that helped me &#8211; a reconstruction of what it might have been like if The Declaration of Independence writers had done so on Google Wave: <a href="https://wave.google.com/wave/#minimized:search,restored:wave:thirteencolonies.net" rel="nofollow">https://wave.google.com/wave/#minimized:search,restored:wave:thirteencolonies.net</a>!w%252BDvkVwkvsA<br />
(you play it back).  The other goldmine that&#8217;s helped me grok this thing is the Educator&#8217;s Ning on Wave:  <a href="http://edupln.ning.com/groups/group/show?id=4241570%3AGroup%3A322&amp;xg_source=msg_mes_group" rel="nofollow">http://edupln.ning.com/groups/group/show?id=4241570%3AGroup%3A322&amp;xg_source=msg_mes_group</a><br />
waving at you&#8230;.<br />
robin</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lott</title>
		<link>http://www.gardnercampbell.net/blog1/?p=1194&#038;cpage=1#comment-1550</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 06:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wish I felt the tingling. I remain convinced Wave is a misbegotten application that will go nowhere built on top of a potentially interesting platform.

Glad to see your volume turned up, btw... I&#039;ve been missing your blogging.</description>
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<p>Glad to see your volume turned up, btw&#8230; I&#8217;ve been missing your blogging.</p>
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